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Coloneh · Oct 24, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

dont expect to much more help from me here, Ignorant people piss me off.

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Originally Posted by Quaker

I've come to the conclusion that it's best just to ignore you people.

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Originally Posted by Pericles

I want everyone to stop helping/giving advice to Quaker, he's an ignorant little know-it-all who tries to manipulate the english language so that in the end he's always right.

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Originally Posted by Wyat Hawke

Wow... Coloneh, I would like to apologize...

Coloneh:1
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Bowstring Badass · Oct 24, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

Coloneh:1
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No Mokone won this thread on the 1st page lol I take it you didn't read it?

Quaker · Oct 24, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

To those who are simply reading this forum:

My Assassin is not my main character. It's about fifth in the rank of xp/hours played (but it is the 3rd character I'm taking through EoN).
My Assassin has (at this time) 1,085,515 experience points. It's been through (the main story line) all three campaigns and done many non-primary quests (did all of Factions).
It's also been through the Furnace.
During Nightfall, I was using basically the same build as posted here, except Jagged Strike instead of Sneak Attack, and Viper's Defense instead off Death's Charge. (Just never got around to replacing Viper's

)There were never more than 4 humans in the party, much of it, including the 2 final missions was done with H&H (me +heroes+henchies).
All that I've done so far in EoN has been H&H (about half)

The point of all this? Regardless of what some twits on here keep saying, the build obviously doesn't suck - it may not be the "leetest" but it doesn't suck either. And, obviously, I have some idea of what I'm doing.

TTFN - Quaker

Stormlord Alex · Oct 24, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Quaker

To those who are simply reading this forum:

My Assassin is not my main character. It's about fifth in the rank of xp/hours played (but it is the 3rd character I'm taking through EoN).
My Assassin has (at this time) 1,085,515 experience points. It's been through (the main story line) all three campaigns and done many non-primary quests (did all of Factions).
It's also been through the Furnace.
During Nightfall, I was using basically the same build as posted here, except Jagged Strike instead of Sneak Attack, and Viper's Defense instead off Death's Charge. (Just never got around to replacing Viper's

)There were never more than 4 humans in the party, much of it, including the 2 final missions was done with H&H (me +heroes+henchies).
All that I've done so far in EoN has been H&H (about half)

The point of all this? Regardless of what some twits on here keep saying, the build obviously doesn't suck - it may not be the "leetest" but it doesn't suck either. And, obviously, I have some idea of what I'm doing.

TTFN - Quaker

Pve is easy, so what?

On topic - no, silly people!
I won this thread just by being here. Say all you want, my avatar is cute, and therefore wins. Logic rules. In your collective faces, Mokone, Coloneh and... that other dude

Bowstring Badass · Oct 24, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Pve is easy, so what?

On topic - no, silly people!
I won this thread just by being here. Say all you want, my avatar is cute, and therefore wins. Logic rules. In your collective faces, Mokone, Coloneh and... that other dude

What other dude? Me? ;P

Mickey · Oct 25, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Quaker

To those who are simply reading this forum:

My Assassin is not my main character. It's about fifth in the rank of xp/hours played (but it is the 3rd character I'm taking through EoN).
My Assassin has (at this time) 1,085,515 experience points. It's been through (the main story line) all three campaigns and done many non-primary quests (did all of Factions).
It's also been through the Furnace.
During Nightfall, I was using basically the same build as posted here, except Jagged Strike instead of Sneak Attack, and Viper's Defense instead off Death's Charge. (Just never got around to replacing Viper's

)There were never more than 4 humans in the party, much of it, including the 2 final missions was done with H&H (me +heroes+henchies).
All that I've done so far in EoN has been H&H (about half)

The point of all this? Regardless of what some twits on here keep saying, the build obviously doesn't suck - it may not be the "leetest" but it doesn't suck either. And, obviously, I have some idea of what I'm doing.

TTFN - Quaker

This is like Population Control in the necro forum, if only Stormlord Alex were here....oh wait.

Cute avatar, although it doesn't affect how I look at you at all

Stormlord Alex · Oct 25, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Someone called for me?

Oh, righty. Naw, not quite yet, young apprentice... the kittens are drawing nigh but... no, not today. The omens aren't right, okey?

And Bowstring? I left it purposely ambiguous...
Anyone can include themselves there

So, yes... you, hunni... ok?

Chicken Ftw · Oct 25, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this thread. Maybe laugh until I cry.

Edit: I still love Alex. Needs new avatar though.

Mickey · Oct 25, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Someone called for me?

Oh, righty. Naw, not quite yet, young apprentice... the kittens are drawing nigh but... no, not today. The omens aren't right, okey?

And Bowstring? I left it purposely ambiguous...
Anyone can include themselves there

So, yes... you, hunni... ok?

Definitely not an apprentice to the cat lord of w/e, idk, but let's turn this thread into a Post Your Cute Cat Pictures!

SotiCoto · Oct 25, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Quaker...
Flashing Blades is just a placeholder until you can get better Elite Skills.

Explanation: If you're doing enough Critical Hits, you can get the same effect from Critical Defenses... which maintains itself as long as you're in combat.
Unless you're using some sort of other abstract energy management (an example of which to be mentioned shortly), you should be running high Critical Strikes, which with high Dagger Mastery should result in plenty of critical hits.

The only real worthwhile PvE Assassin Elites are:

[skill]Moebius Strike[/skill] - Repeatable Death Blossom or Critical Strike FTW.
[skill]Assassin's Promise[/skill] - Instant skillbar recharge and a large energy chunk with reasonable Deadly Arts pointage (doesn't require high Critical Strikes).
[skill]Way of the Assassin[/skill] - Usually when you're using Way of the Master and a non-sin weapon.

The others are generally not worth it. Flashing Blades is only useful until you can use Critical Defenses properly.
Shattering Assault has limited usability in certain areas (as does Dark Apostasy similarly).
Temple Strike and Beguiling Haze likewise have limited usability.

moko · Oct 25, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

give it up Soti, it's a plus one thread nao.

pluuuuuuuuuus oneeeeeeeeeeeeeee +1

SotiCoto · Oct 25, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Mokone

give it up Soti, it's a plus one thread nao.

pluuuuuuuuuus oneeeeeeeeeeeeeee +1

Yeah.... sorry about that.
I don't tend to bother going past the first page on threads like this.

The really sad thing is that I remember a time when I was fairly like Quaker.... though not quite THAT bad.
I used to use Flashing Blades, but I gave up as soon as I got Assassin's Promise (and then proceeded to complete all three campaigns with a rather weak Assassin's Promise build and no IAS... though admittedly it sorta rawks in Nightfallen Jahai)...
It also reminds me of a time when I was constantly promoting Illusionary Weapon Sin stuff.... I used to use that everywhere.... and people criticised me for it, and I stubbornly insisted that it still worked well. Funny thing is that now I have an IW build with the Banana Scythe, Booze and Drunken Master.... and it works BETTER... but I only use it for a laugh sometimes (because there are few things funnier than rampaging around drunk with the Banana Scythe).

Quaker will learn eventually.
He WILL try using Critical Agility the way it was meant to be used some day (as I did).... and he will see the light.

^_^

Quaker · Oct 25, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Quaker will learn eventually.
He WILL try using Critical Agility the way it was meant to be used some day (as I did).... and he will see the light.

Actually, no, that's not likely. As I said, I was only playing the Assassin to get a Mask of the Mo-Zing, which I've done. I've since decided to take it through EoN's main story line, which is almost finished. Then I plan to go back to one of my usual characters and tuck the Assassin away again. Unless there's some other expansion released and/or some other reason to dust her off again, it will probably be the last time I use her, since GW2 will be a whole new thing.

Btw, I appreciate the sensible manner of your original reply to my OP. Too bad more people on here can't be more mature.

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SotiCoto · Oct 25, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Actually, no, that's not likely. As I said, I was only playing the Assassin to get a Mask of the Mo-Zing, which I've done. I've since decided to take it through EoN's main story line, which is almost finished. Then I plan to go back to one of my usual characters and tuck the Assassin away again. Unless there's some other expansion released and/or some other reason to dust her off again, it will probably be the last time I use her, since GW2 will be a whole new thing.

Fair enough... though note that quite a few of us that frequent this particular board have Assassin Main-Chars (myself included), and we take the playing of the class rather seriously. That you simply dismiss it in such a way is rather disrespectful... whether or not you are a Ranger-Main.
Everyone has their own particular tastes.... and I'm sure, whether you consider it important or not which build you use on your Assassin..... that you probably wouldn't think much of my Ranger's build (which generally relies on Barrage, Never Rampage Alone, and a Dire Flamingo) and would think even less if I started parading it around pompously in the Ranger board (which is why I don't).
We haven't even started on the topics of Critical Barrage Sins and Dagger Rangers yet.

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Btw, I appreciate the sensible manner of your original reply to my OP. Too bad more people on here can't be more mature.

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Thanks... though I might note a few things:
#1. There is more to maturity than merely language used the tone it is expressed in. There are a great many awkward nuances to the conveyance of information that can be considered reasonable or unreasonable depending on the circumstances.
#2. .... Frankly I think they're all ridiculous personally. I pride myself on generally being rather immature, despite likewise being verbose and somewhat of a grammar-nazi from time to time. Maturity is overrated. I settle for just trying not to aggravate people (though it just seems to happen around me sometimes).

Quaker · Oct 25, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

That you simply dismiss it in such a way is rather disrespectful... whether or not you are a Ranger-Main.

Not sure exactly what you mean here. I never dismissed Assassin in any way (at least, not purposely). I'm not one of those people who thinks Assassins (or Mesmers) suck. The main point about what I said is that my Assassin is not one of my main Characters (which atm would be Ranger and Mesmer, followed by Warrior and Dervish), and since GW1 is coming to an end (for me), it's not likely I'll be playing it past the end of EoN. But, on the other hand, I won't be playing any of my present characters when GW2 comes out.
I do (and will) however dismiss those people who simply reply to a posting with stuff like "OMG you must suck, you're not using <my favorite skill>"

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Everyone has their own particular tastes.... and I'm sure, whether you consider it important or not which build you use on your Assassin.....

I only consider it as important as what works, works for you, and what you enjoy playing.

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you probably wouldn't think much of my Ranger's build (which generally relies on Barrage, Never Rampage Alone, and a Dire Flamingo)

Sounds similar to mine.

(I spent some time trying to look up the "Dire Flamingo" skill until I noticed you said "a" Dire Flamingo.

- I have a hearty Rainbow Pheonix atm, but I admit it's just for show, the dam thing is big and ugly.)

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and would think even less if I started parading it around pompously in the Ranger board (which is why I don't).

Are you implying that I paraded my Assassin build "pompously"?! I may have neglected to point out in my OP that it was just a fun PvE build, but I didn't know only "leet" builds could be posted here. I never suggested it was an elite build, and stated just the opposite many times.

TTFN - happy hunting.

P.S. thought it was time I updated my Avatar.

SotiCoto · Oct 25, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Just out of interest Quaker..... you don't happen to be Aspergian... do you?

I just feel like checking before I feel the inclination to answer all your questions. ^_^

Quaker · Oct 25, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Something occurred to me today, which I will get to later, which prompted me to try to make one last attempt to clarify myself here.

Here's what I think are the main problems here:

1. Some of the people on here, as I said earlier, are just trying to stir things up and are acting like jerks.

2. Some of the people who are trying to help or add to the discussion, are not very good at expressing themselves in written language. (Blame it on the education system if you like.)

3. Some of the people on here have very definite ideas of what they think is best, and have a need to convince others of it. Whether that is because of an elitest "herd" mentality, or a genuine desire to "help" doesn't matter at this time. (And I'm not saying it's a bad thing.)

4. What occured to me today has to do with both #3 above and what I said earlier about always thinking in extremes (leet vs sux). It's that, many of the responders on here seem to take any discussion of why or why not a person would use a weapon/skill/build etc., as a discussion of which is "best". In this particular case, if I say I don't use a skill - for whatever reason - they take that as meaning that I don't think the skill is good or that I think that some other skill is "better".

Now:

If you fall into group #1 - get a life.

If you fall into group #2 - I'm sorry if myself or other people have a hard time understanding you, but it really is up to you to learn how to communicate. Like it or not, grammer and spelling do serve a purpose. And, no the purpose is not to be picky or 'correct', the purpose is to make it possible for people to understand ,as well as they can, what you have to say. Sorry.

If you fall into group #3 - I can only clarify that I did not post that build on here to get "help". This is not because I think the build
is great or can't be improved. It's also not that I think I'm so great, I don't need any help. No, it's just simply what I said - I wasn't asking for help,
I was actually just simply posting it.

If you fall into group #4 - You need to try to understand that people have there own reasons for using (or not using) something. And, you need to try to stop thinking you need to "defend" your favorite things.
When I say, for example, that I don't use Critical Defenses because it doesn't stay up consistently (for me) and has too long a recharge, that's all I'm saying. I'm not making any statements about what skill is better or worse, and, in this case, I'm fully aware that it would depend upon the the number of critical strikes I'm getting, how much attention I'm paying to it, etc. I'm simply stating why I don't use it - not making a value judgement about it.
I do realize that I suggested that CD and Critical Agility don't live up to their hype, but that doesn't mean I think they are "bad" or "suck" - they may very well be the best skills of they're type - I was simply saying I don't think they are quite as great as people make them out to be.
Again, let me emphasize, I'm only be saying why or why not I use any particular skill. I am not making value judgements about them (usually) - particularly not as to which one is "better".
Nor am I trying to convince anyone else that they should or should not use them. I'm fully aware that this may have a lot to do with my own ability and/or the make up of the rest of the build and/or party, etc.

/rant

There is no purpose to going back over the thread and saying stuff like "but you said...". There is nothing to be served by doing so, at this point.

Anywho, if this doesn't clear it up, nothing will. :/

Quaker · Oct 26, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Just out of interest Quaker..... you don't happen to be Aspergian... do you?

Not that I'm aware of.

Saphatorael · Oct 26, 2007, 08:03 AM // 08:03

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Originally Posted by Quaker

To those who are simply reading this forum:

My Assassin is not my main character. It's about fifth in the rank of xp/hours played (but it is the 3rd character I'm taking through EoN).
My Assassin has (at this time) 1,085,515 experience points. It's been through (the main story line) all three campaigns and done many non-primary quests (did all of Factions).
It's also been through the Furnace.
During Nightfall, I was using basically the same build as posted here, except Jagged Strike instead of Sneak Attack, and Viper's Defense instead off Death's Charge. (Just never got around to replacing Viper's

)There were never more than 4 humans in the party, much of it, including the 2 final missions was done with H&H (me +heroes+henchies).
All that I've done so far in EoN has been H&H (about half)

The point of all this? Regardless of what some twits on here keep saying, the build obviously doesn't suck - it may not be the "leetest" but it doesn't suck either. And, obviously, I have some idea of what I'm doing.

TTFN - Quaker

My monk has 4.5 mill exp and some ultra leet zomgwaffle PvE titles!!1

... I have completed missions with her, with Frenzy (and I used it, of course) on my bar. Sometimes I'd frontline with Decapitate and a 15/-10 axe (cba to get it sold, yet I knew it was worth something. I think it's still rotting on one of my storage chars somewhere) Guess I was just that bored. But does that mean it's a good build, simply because I've completed some missions with it?

bungusmaximus · Oct 26, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Just out of interest Quaker..... you don't happen to be Aspergian... do you?

I just feel like checking before I feel the inclination to answer all your questions. ^_^

Are you sure Alex wins this thread? let Soti have a go at it too plz, this one made me laugh till my belly hurt ^^.